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    • CommentAuthorJan K
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2013
     
    One of the things I always feared about this disease is that some point my husband (today he's not my DH) would become very angry about something, and attack me. I thought I had a plan in place if that ever happened. But what happened was very different. He was not trying to harm me at all. He was "helping" me. But even when I started telling him that he was hurting me, he wouldn't stop. He said he "had to do it that way", and I should quit trying to stop him helping me. Eventually I was screaming and crying because it hurt so much and ran away from him. I continued to cry for quite some time because of the pain and the shock that he had hurt me so badly. And his only response was to get miffed because I didn't appreciate his "help". Seriously, the only problem he had with the whole situation was that I didn't let him keep doing what he was doing to "help" me, and didn't appreciate what he did.

    Now, on top of everything else, I fear my husband. If this happened once, it could happen again—maybe today, maybe tomorrow. And there's no trying to defuse a situation when he's escalating, because that's not even what happened. I knew that his reasoning was somewhat impaired, but I certainly didn't think he was so far gone that if I was crying and screaming that he was hurting me, he wouldn't stop whatever he was doing, especially if there was no anger involved.

    I think this incident has helped with the "emotional divorce" issue. Certainly the man I was married to for decades would never have hurt me like this. I'm still in shock this morning, wondering where we go from here. This might not ever happen again, or it could happen the next time I'm within arm's reach. This whole situation was difficult enough before, but with this incident, it seems like we've entered a whole new level of difficulty. And I don't know if I can manage this, or if I should even try. I would appreciate some advice.
    • CommentAuthorAmber
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2013
     
    Ouch!!! can I relate to the violence....5th time going through this. The first time just shoke me to the bone because he had never raised his hand to me. I just keep getting his meds upped and am now going to see the mental health team for elder care and see what is available.

    It must be so hard on you to go through this, I hope you find help but remember to always protect yourself and document and get his doctor on board so if you have to call the police you have some documentation to give them so he is taken to a psych ward for evaluation and not jail......this disease sucks!!!
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    JanK--Hard as it is, especially since there was no anger or sense of "intent", you still really need to look at this event as him being a danger to you. His Dr. needs to be informed ASAP. He may have ideas or advice.
    You probably should let the Police know of the situiation, so if it shouild start again, he'll have some awareness. Perhaps a call to your Adult Protective Services would garner some guidance. And, sorry to say, you probably should be looking at Placement. My situation was not the same exactly, but I went through all that,and an Incident had him taken by the Police to the ER.
    This is another of the rotten decisions we face, butwe have to be Realistic. If we are out of commission, we can't take care of them. If they're inclined to hurt themselves, or us, we have to prevent that.
    • CommentAuthorAnn*
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2013
     
    A few years ago when I ask DH to please stop complaining,he said you make me so mad I could just slit your throat.I was so shocked I said nothing.About a week later he said to me out of the blue I don't know why I said that to you,I said thats what I thought.
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    A couple years ago my DH went through a spell when he was very violent and hurt me several times. He would slam me on the side of my head or grab me by the shoulders or neck and shake me, telling me he was going to kill me.The day he came at me with a big iron pry bar I called the police and he ended up spending the weekend in the hospital. That was the first time he saw the nurologist.

    I've always thought it was frustration that he didn't know what was wrong with him. We have been playing with various drugs which seem to work for a while the he goes off again. Now we have citalopram (Celexa) and Abilify and he seems a lot better. I think he is well into stage 6.
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      CommentAuthorpamsc*
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2013
     
    Very scary. You need to keep yourself safe. He didn't understand what he was doing to you, but the danger is still there.
    • CommentAuthordivvi*
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2013
     
    remember as well the impulse control button is out of control as well. ANY aggressive action should be a red flag for us and we must take action. could be they dont even register what pain or aggression is anymore. either way its hell to always be on your guard around someone who can turn violent. i would speak to the dr asap report the incident and ask them to get him into medication modifications. earlier is always better. get him sedated compliant and under control before it spirals out again. we have to be pro active here and not think it cant happen. it can and out of the blue when you least expect it. and if that doesnt work then placement is the ultimate option.
    divvi
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    Praise God I haven't had this happen yet, but have felt he was close to hitting me he was so angry and upset because I disagreed with him. He keeps threatening to divorce me... so funny. I felt like saying - "go right ahead - see if you can find someone else who'd take care of you... I'll just go on a vacation!" But of course we don't - we just keep on keeping on taking care of them and praying for the strength to do so. In our family my husband's 83 year old sister is in the last stages, his 79 year old sister-in-law is just behind her and then here's my husband with AZ as well! You can just imagine how sad family get-togethers are when we can have them.
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    George's caregiver - please do not disagree with him, he is ALWAYS right, even when he is wrong. He has lost the ability to reason, it's not his fault, it's his damaged brain cells. You don't have to win any arguments, those days are gone forever.
    For now, you always agree no matter how outrageous. Your goal is to keep as much calm in your home as possible - remember, that's your goal. I cannot imagine your family's sorrow.
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    Jan K, what are going to do? Do you in fact have a plan? You must take some sort of action. I know that we all have stories to tell, but it appears to me that you are asking for help from us. What are you going to do? Have you reported the situation to anyone. Please do so IMMEDIATELY!!!! He is not himself and has no idea what is strength is. PLease Please protect yourself first and foremost. Praying that you find a peaceful and safe solution.
    • CommentAuthordeb42657
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2013
     
    I have gone through violence and physical danger once! Amber, I can't imagine 5 times!!! I wish I would have called the police because now I live in fear that it will happen again. Everyone that is going through this...PLEASE be careful because it is a reality that it is happening and according to what I have heard WILL happen again.
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    Jan K, Are you ok, it has been 4 days now. Just checking to make sure that you are in fact ok. Please let us know if you get a chance.
    • CommentAuthorLFL
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2013
     
    JanK, I know it's been 4 days and hope you have contacted his dr for new/different meds to control his aggression. My DH's aggression towards me is well documented here...you MUST tell his dr immediately so he can be controlled

    I advise you to contact your local police/sheriff's offices on their non-emergency lines, tell them your husband suffers from dementia and ask them what should be your protocol if you need to contact them should your husband become aggressive or violent. I called 911, the police arrested him (even though I told them he had dementia), filed a temporay domestic violence restraining order on my behalf and then sent him to jail. Sometime in the night they took him to the ER for evaluation and he ended up in a psych hospital. I will NEVER call 911 again unless I tell them he needs to go to the ER for medical/psychological evaluation.
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    Has anyone heard from Jan K??? Admin???? We are getting a little concerned.
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      CommentAuthorJudithKB*
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2013
     
    Maybe Joan has info on her that we don't have and can contact her. We are family here and when one writes about abuse, intentional or not intentional and states they were still in pain the next day....the family wants to know if they are OK. Maybe we will hear from her soon...I hope so and that everything is OK.
    • CommentAuthorxox
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2013
     
    Have also gone the 911 route. Have told son not to call it again. Laws are very strict here concerning spousal abuse. The police wanted to take her to the hospital but she wouldn't go voluntarily. Police were about to take her anyway, after being unable to contact a social worker, but social worker nixed the idea since the problem was neurological instead of psychiatric and because it was the weekend and no one from social services would see her for a day
    • CommentAuthorlulliebird
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2013
     
    Dear Jan,

    I pray that you are physically and emotionally okay as no one has hear from you since your post 3 days ago.

    You need to make yours husband's doctor along with the police aware that he has physically hll armed you. This will happen again and again until the medical team caring for your husband finds the correct medicine and dosage to help control his anger. This needs to be reported and DOCUMENTED. There will come a time and a day that you will more than likely need this documentation to help you in placement assistance along with guardianship/conservership. By all means remove all guns and knives from the home. I sleep with pepper spray..and I would recommend that you invest in some. It's very affordable and they tell me it's effect. It can be easily purchased at a sporting goods store.

    I also would suggest that in addition to informing DH doctor and the local police you contact the alzheimer association (24 hour hot line) when you need assitance or just someone to talk to anytime of the night or day. I called the alzheimers hotline in the middle of the night when I was so disturbed about my husband's behavioral problems . After almost 1 hour of unloading...I felt more at easy and was able to return to sleep.

    I hope the everything is OK.
    • CommentAuthorJan K
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2013
     
    Thank you all for your concern. I am fine. DH is not aggressive, just oblivious to his actions sometimes. He did not mean to hurt me. But I am contacting the police on the non-911 number, just so I will know what to do if something does happen in the future. He is already registered with the police and fire department as someone with dementia, in case of emergency, but I want to be sure that the right thing happens if I ever need to call them.

    Just when you think you have a handle on this disease, it gives you something else to deal with, doesn't it?
    • CommentAuthordeb42657
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2013
     
    Jan, I am glad that you are OK! That is a very good idea, calling the non 911 number. I did the same thing with both police and fire department.
    The only thing I didn't do...is when he was violent I didn't call the police to let them know that it actually happened. If I would have then I would have gotten more help!!! Yes, this disease never lets up and keeps us hopping.
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    Jan, so happy to hear from you. Do not forget to keep your cell phone with you at all times. and work the plan when the need arisies. Prayers for you and lots of hugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • CommentAuthorabby* 6/12
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
     
    Jan K,

    Like the other posters, I am glad you are ok. I loved what JudithKB said about family.

    Over the years H was transported from home to hospital by ambulance as the result of a call I made to 911. Maybe 12 times... I learned several things. One is that I had the choice of fire or police paramedics. Another is to use landline if possible- then the operator knows instantly the location of the call.

    What made the biggest difference is that anxiety between the call and the paramedic's arrival. I had thought about this quite a bit and so the next to the last time just asked the operator if the paramedics could turn off the lights and sirens. H knew what they were and only became more agitated. Neighbors, only meaning well would come out of their houses. The sight of husband strapped to a gurney; exhibiting dementia behaviors, was something I wanted to keep as private as I could.

    I really didn't expect to be told that yes, once a couple of intersections had been cleared they would quiet the sirens and lights. They did and I think it helped. I was also told that if I did not need transport for myself they would not send more than one vehicle.

    The operator was so helpful quick and considerate. I wondered if everyone knew these things....!?
    • CommentAuthorLFL
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2013
     
    Like abby*, when DH needed transport to the ER, I asked when I called 911 (for medical emergency) that they not turn on lights/sirens. They told me that they would only use them for intersections for everyone's safety. I am not as generous as abby*-neighbors still came out to gaulk and gossip even though they all know my husband has dementia. Not well meaning just nosy.